Republican Doomsday Plan: Cave on Taxes, Vote ‘Present’

WOW…talk about putting the knife to your own throat and then voluntarily ‘drawing it’ acrossed it. And all for the wealthy…and misguided ‘principles’….that only benefit their top contributors. Can anyone say…”Party implosion”????

cnd…you’re a total tool. Clueless. The wealthy pay by far a greater percentage of the total taxes paid, but you and your president think they’re not paying enough. Breathtaking. Obama should get a taste of his own medicine and force his hand on a bill that actually cuts our nation-killing entitlements. Obamazombies just don’t care about the future of the Republic.

It’s called “painting yourself into a corner ” and now the slime balls on the right are in a real pickle of their own design . Damned if they do and damned if they don’t .
HA HA HA ! Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of petty nitpicking losers . Lmao !

How can the 3rd paragraph say that the GOP is allowing the Democrats to vote (and presumably pass) the extension of the tax cuts, but then the first sentence of the next paragraph say they’re doing so “avoid taking blame for tax increases on 98 percent of income tax payers.”?

Where’s the increase come from if the bill that passes keeps the current rates on those 98%?

Boehner reminds me of the sheriff in Blazing Saddles holding a gun to his head and threatening to shoot.

Republicans “ARE” doomsday! They’d sooner send the country into another recession, which, ironically would be created again by Republicans! All this just to avoid having to tax the super wealthy a few bucks more. Pathetic.

How could it be a “doomsday” to let it go – afterall – For years and including the campaign – the DEMS and Obama preached that we need to return to the Clinton Era rates – after all – it was economic paradise – so let the rates for everyone go the Clinton rates and based on history – we should soon be back in the :Garden of Eden” – right?>

It is so so so sad that Congress is playing with our daily lives, every single day of the year for Decades. Millions of People are just getting by with what they bring home with their checks, and many come up short month after month and live day to day, so many use food banks to try to feed their families. BUT with this “FIscal CLiff” looming on the middle class and the poor we will once again get screwed and live off less than we do now. All while the rich folks wallow in their money, pay bills with out thinking, stock their fridges/freezers and pantries with expensive food.

Heaven forbid they pay a little bit more to help ease the burden on the real working people of this country. “GREED” should be the new American Motto………..not the Land of Opportunity.

ELECTPATRIOTS :” The wealthy pay by far a greater percentage of the total taxes paid, but you
and your president think they’re not paying enough” ************LOL!!!!! Boy talking about the “car
salesman” approach. FYI, the rich do pay more in upfront taxes, but when tax season arrives
they use every loophole and credit they can get their greedy little hands on, using the
long form tax return. We’re lucky if they pay 13% of these taxes, all the while you and I pay 28%
taxes! Get an education by stop brainwashing yourself with FAUXNEWS.

“I pledge allegiance” has taken on a whole different meaning with the Republicans.
I truly wonder if the majority of constituents of the respective districts represented by the staunch right agree completely with the hubris shown by Boehner and others.
The recent election should carry some degree of clarity to these myopic representatives, but no, the idea of conceding defeat conflicts with their self defined image of their superiority in all things.
Boehner, it isn’t about you, your owners, or wealth accumulation. It’s about you seeing America as the voting population of this country sees it. Now, go about doing the “People’s business” and hold your nose while doing so.

Trust me when i say…that either a ‘deal’ will be done at the end of the year OR the GOP will be the ones who ‘go over the cliff’. And I think that even if they do a ‘deal’…they just might implode anyway. And what STILL AMAZES me is the ‘lack of stories – and more importantly substantive debate – on Grover Norquist…and his ‘political extortion’ tactics. How do people who live in a ‘democracy’ not think that what he does is COMPLETELY AGAINST those principles? And yet MORONS ON THE RIGHT…so willingly and shallowly argue about the ‘constitutionality’ of every other thing under the sun.

“Under one variation of this Doomsday Plan, House Republicans would allow a vote on extending only the middle class tax cuts and Republicans, to express disapproval at the failure to extend all tax cuts, would vote “present” on the bill, allowing it to pass entirely on Democratic votes.”

You’d think liberals would be doing back-flips over this. The Republican plan would, in effect, give the Democrats back their super-majority -and all we hear from the left is moaning and complaining.

It doesn’t really matter in the short run whether they cut a deal or not. If spending is not significantly reduced it is only a matter of time—a short time—before the bottom drops out. Creditors will stop loaning us money because they see our becoming insolvent. There will be no warning when this happens and panic will set in among the democrats as they see the inevitable coming and their inability to cover it up even with the MSM.

Yea Dem without a Clue, like you don’t put down the tax deduction if you own a house on your Tax Form. Like you don’t take the credit for your children. Obama didn’t promise anything, except everyone in this country needs to contribute. And if you can (without a breath) say I bet you 10,000 or I will give 5 million to charity for something, then you can pay just a little more so the checkout clerk at the JC Penny or Walmart can keep a little extra to pay for bills, food, medicine, a decent holiday. Gotta love these right wingers.

“The republicans talk about these things like they don’t matter….these are people lives your talking about!!!! I was a lifelong republican. I became an independent and finally when I recently moved I registered as a democrat….now I actively hope the GOP ceases to exist. They don’t care about the American people except, of course, for their rich friends. GOP—you have one hope; stop playing politics and start putting this country and the American people above you partisan politics!!!!”
Posted by: Sueb | December 3, 2012, 10:49 am

What are you complaining about? The article above spells out how the Republcans plan to get out of the way and let Democrats vote for the utopia you’ve always wanted.

With no Reaganesque figure to comfortingly sugarcoat their lies into palatable fairy tales and unicorns and pixie dust the Rs aren’t appealing to many people anymore . They were never more than that , i.e. a party run wholly by corporations , trying anything and everything to make themselves look like anything but that . Now they’ve let the public get a glimpse of their true nature , i.e petty conniving underhanded duplicitous , etc. etc. . Not looking good , time to duck and cover !

Just as in Micheal Moore’s video with the old lady taling, ‘Burn Baby, Burn.’ That’s how I feel. Think the ‘have not’ are complaining now,, wait and see what happens when there isn’t any money.. hello fiscal cliff!! Burn it all down and start over.

The US will collapse financially. No deal is going to prevent this.

Let the CLIFF happen; I am tired of the finger-pointing and hysterical ranting. I really could care less at this point. WE ARE ASSURED that (1.) taxes will go up, (2.) Obamacare will further raise taxes, (3.) Republicans will be blamed, (4.) federal spending will sky-rockets AND (5.) we will be having this conversation in 12-18 months when the country is in further debt and needs ONLY an immediate $200 TRILLION to make the whole problem go away.

“Think the ‘have not’ are complaining now,, wait and see what happens when there isn’t any money.”
Posted by: sjgusmc21 | December 3, 2012, 11:04 am

The government will always have ‘money’ for them. The EBT cards will have their accounts refilled without so much as a hickup, Section 8 housing won’t have to worry about the rent, Obamaphones will continue to work. Government workers will get paid on time every payday. Tax-consumers won’t notice fiscal problems because the Democrat party needs their votes.

It’s the taxpayers who will get the screws put to them. The taxpayers will get shaken down for every asset they own; their 401(k), their IRA, their investment portfolio, their house, their car -everything will be up for grabs until the tax-payer is in jail or transformed into one of the tax consumers.

Dealing with the deficit isn’t that tough. Raise some taxes, cut some spending. IF you aren’t willing to do both then you are part of the problem. President Obama understands this, Republicans don’t.

The requested tax increases are modest. Spending cuts are in the President’s plan too. It has to start some where and so far the Republicans are only interested in one side of the formula. Everyone knows, Democrats included, that spending needs to be reduced. I’d start with reducing the paychecks to Congress if they can’t start acting like adults.

Congress is no more than a reflection of the electorate. If you have a problem with them then take a gander into the mirror. You are the problem!!!!!!!

“The requested tax increases are modest.”
Posted by: Nobland | December 3, 2012, 11:17 am

We didn’t get into $16 trillion in debt because taxes were too low. We got into this problem with outlandish spending. You realize that they can’t account for where the $1 trillion stimulus money went? The propoesd tax increases aren’t going to make a dent in the debt and are sold under the guise of punishing the rich. If they’re just for punishing the rich, instead of fixing the debt, then they’re misguided and won’t do squat to fix the problem. A ‘modest’ non-solution is still a non-solution.

“Spending cuts are in the President’s plan too.”
Posted by: Nobland | December 3, 2012, 11:17 am

Where? What plan of his has cuts? What cuts? Please, do tell.

Fantastic. Give the loser in the WH what he wants. The middle tax cut only. Hey Democrats, where are the jobs? Wow look at all the minimum wage opportunities you created for the Holidays. Enjoy your entitlements you losers. The end is near.

The 12 year Bush/Cheney gravy train for the super rich and mega corporations may be coming to the end of the line. Everybody has to pay their fair share and take some of the hit if we are to get our fiscal house in order. The GOP’s wealthy sponsors spent a fortune this last election cycle to keep the gravy train rolling, but the money didn’t buy them continued protection. Stick a fork in Bush protectionism of the privileged class.

…..actually what I said was “knockdown drag out fights”, but hold on to your fantasies, it’s all you’ve got.

“Everybody has to pay their fair share and take some of the hit if we are to get our fiscal house in order.”
Posted by: hopesprings52 | December 3, 2012, 11:32 am

Then why are tax-payers the only one’s being targeted? The truth is that the tax-consumers, who vote overwhelmingly Democrat to keep their free benefits pouring in, will never have to cut back.

“Now I actively hope the GOP ceases to exist.”
Posted by: Sueb | December 3, 2012, 10:49 am

“It’s about time to abolish the Congress.”
Posted by: Jake | December 3, 2012, 11:41 am

Any more nominations for a Democrat party dictatorship?

“Congress is no more tha a reflection of the electorate” – well said PERPLEXED – as is the WH as well. It is about the “giverment” and not the government. And by the way – JAKE – abolish congress and I assume let Obama run the country – this is not (contrary to OBamacrats) a monarchy – .

Looks like the Republicans are taking a page from Obama’s time as a senator. Good for them.

If the Republicans do vote ‘present’, the success and failure of this bill will be on the Democrat’s shoulders. Even though Its a risky move by the Republicans, I think voting ‘present’ will make Democrats solely responsible for the across the board tax hikes.

The END IS NEAR…..the sun rises the next day….THE END IS NEAR…..the sun sets…THE END IS NEAR…the sun rises. … Those on the right sure like to repeat the armageddon rhetoric, yet the sun keeps rising and setting. Life will go on.

Even though Obama won the election, obtaining the most electoral votes, he was only able to obtain roughly 50% of the popular vote. Our nation is still heavily divided.

let’s go back to the Eisenhower tax rates… THAT should make conservatives very happy!

Why is it that both parties seem to be missing the obvious. They are hurting the American public by their stupid games.

tmferretti | December 3, 2012, 11:57 am —- The POTUS has nothing on the table yet. What he has is the “my way or highway approach disregarding the constituents that the GOP represents. Time for both sides to realize they have to compromise. Obama needs to be in DC, not running around campaigning. They know what needs to be done, they just have to do it. What I find comical here is we hear nothing about Harry Reid. He has done nothing and it appears he believes he is content with continuing to do nothing. What a waste of human flesh and money.

Calling this a “move” by the Rep’s is like calling it a “move” when they are in a box where one side of the box is really, really hot and the other side of the box is not so hot. Ok, so they “moved” to the side of the box that is not so hot. There are lower forms of life that would do the same thing.

“Spending cuts are in the President’s plan too.”
Posted by: Nobland | December 3, 2012, 11:17 am

Where? Timmy Geithner didn’t give any info on cuts to Boehner.

“The President has put a plan on the table with revenues and spending cuts.”
Posted by: tmferretti | December 3, 2012, 11:57 am

What cuts are you libs talking about? Be specific.

Sure, go ahead and increase taxes on the top two rates…that will run the Federal government for approximately 8.5 days. Mission accomplished? Not really…not fiscally, but it did accomplish that “revenge” thing Obama was talking about. It’s called class warfare.

Russell | December 3, 2012, 11:47 am — Well Russ, during the midterm elections, the GOP was voted to take over the House by the greatest changeover in 70 years. So I woudl say Boehner is REQUIRED to represent that wouldn’t you? The POTUS, Speaker and Senate Majority Leader need to get together and find common ground. If neither are willing to do that, they need to keep their pie holes shut and quit campaigning. IF they are not willing to negotiate, we need to find those who will. Right now, it appears the GOP is ready to give a little on taxes, so what will the Dems give up?

I know in the previous round of negotiations, Pres. Obama put forward major spending cuts. I expect the same will be done this time. But the Bush program put forward major tax cuts, coupled with major expenditures put on the lay-away plan. We can’t lay away any more and the privileged no longer should be a protected class. Job #1 is to roll back those tax cuts for the wealthy. It also makes sense to have a means tested threshold for the home interest deduction, especially wealthy with multiple homes. Other deductions have to be questioned also and means tested where appropriate. Job #2 is to eliminate fraud, waste, loopholes and cut spending and tweak entitlements, and improve the effectiveness and efficiency of government. People have the right to expect fairness in both the private and the public sectors.

tmferretti | December 3, 2012, 12:05 pm — Under this administration, and specifically, under the so-called Leadership of Obama, we are at a cliff, that’s what you should be complaining about. You complained about Bush’s recession and if nothing is done here, you can complain about Obama’s recession. But, I am certain you already have someone else to blame this on beside Obama.

Spending this country into bankruptcy is not an expression of love nor is it prudent. You will destroy all of us not just the spenders. If there were a way to secede I would be advocating it but the spenders want as many tax payers as they can to pay for the takers of big government largesse. The spenders want huge government that takes you from cradle to grave and so far it has been proven that that kind of government is too expensive to maintain for long. It is doomed to failure.

Hopefully, Obama is getting the message and will come back with a much more cooperative attitude.

WHY ISN’T ANYONE UPSET ABOUT THE SUBSIDIES AND TAX CUT GIVEN TO CORPORATION THAT SEND JOBS OVERSEAS AND HAVE MILLIONS AND BILLIONS IN PROFIT.

THE BEST SPENDING CUT IS SUBSIDIES TO CORPORATIONS MAKING MILLIONS AND BILLIONS IN PROFIT.

SS AND MEDICARE AREN’T ENTITLEMENTS, BECAUSE WE PAID TAXES TO RECEIVE THEM.

To ABS and “OTUS”: The days of Yellow Journalism and biased headlines/stories have returned, and have been in full swing for some time now, but the so-called progressive media is setting new low standards with every passing day. Your headline should have read: “Republicans to allow Bush tax cuts for middle class to be extended, despite lack of Obama willingness to include needed spending cuts.” Quit giving Obama and the democrats a free pass!

“Hopefully, Obama is getting the message and will come back with a much more cooperative attitude.”

Really? He got the message on November 6, 2012 when he was RE-ELECTED. Republicans need to get the message that he won and they need to follow his lead and stop whining about him not being conservative the way they want. Americans voted in Barack Obama… Not cry baby republican elected officials. They need to shut up and vote FOR the President’s agenda. It will NOT get signed by HIM unless they do. He is the president and it becomes LAW when PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA signs it!

I’ve seen a number of comments that say Obama has spending cuts in his plan. Sorry, but saying give me the tax increases now and we will find the cuts next year is not putting cuts into the plan. If the American people fall for that, I got some swamp land for sale.

TV | December 3, 2012, 12:24 pm — You do understand the word “REPRESENTATION” means right? Do you really expect the 48% of voters who did not vote for Obama to just give in to what they didn’t vote for? It’s called representation and the Dems have to give a little too.

choppyseas | December 3, 2012, 12:31 pm —- Which side is working out well? Obama’s “Leadership” has led us to a fiscal cliff. It’s hard to watch purse strings if no budget is passed (that’s what the Dems are counting on).

0bama says more “porkulus”. LOL, LOL what an idiot. The “give me my free stuff crowd” and dumbo all over the cliff together. Good ridance!

Why is the sole discussion on raising taxes and none on reduced spending? The President promised a balanced approach that included $2.50 – $3.00 in spending cuts for every $1.00 in increased taxes. Where are the $4 trillion in spending cuts to go along with the $1.6 trillion in increased taxes? Instead he offers an ill defined $400 billion in spending cuts. So much for a balanced approach to solving the fiscal problems we have.

Further proof we need to vote out every incumbent and start over. Congress is worthless.

BAZ your drinking to much Kool Aid. Did you forget to count the porkulus to the unions, and solyndra?

How rich. pull a dumbo and vote “present” The community organizer way to lead from underneath. 0bama is a inept, incompetent, s.oc.ial.ist.

0bama says more “porkulus”. LOL, LOL what an idiot. The “give me my free stuff crowd” and dumbo all over the cliff together. Good ridance!

POSTED BY: HUH? | DECEMBER 3, 2012, 12:37 PM 12:37 PM______________Oil companies have been receiving their free stuff for decades without complain. They call it “subsidy.” The dumbo GOP still don’t get it when these companies themselves say they don’t need these freebies. Republicans tell these companies “we have to force feed you with these benefits because we want to.” 2014 mid-term election cannot come soon enough. It seems the GOP did not get the message of the last election.

FACT—I have been hearing government say that it needs to cut down on fraud to SS, Medicare and Medicaid since these programs began and NADA has happened. These programs are so large they beg for fraud. You will NEVER stop fraud from them. You will NEVER stop waste and inefficiency. I have worked in Washington and there is no way those folks will be able to day anything constructive. Have you ever worked for the Feds? Have you ever worked in Washington? Then how do you know?

The sick part of all this is that no ones taxes have to be raised. The President has to stop spending more money than the government takes in. Its basic math. The government takes 2 trillion from us every year. It spends 3.5 trillion. Stop spending 1.5 trillion more than they take, and the problem goes away. But Democrats don’t care about this. They don’t understand reality, so they ignore it. Now our children will be saddled with our debt. Its outrageous. The Democrats have to stop their reckless spending!
Why are we spending billions on Obamaphones, Trillions on Obamacare, millions advertising on Mexican TV that Mexicans can get American food stamps if they cross the border and vote Democrats?
Oh and why are we giving up trillions in Oil and Natural Gas royalities by unnecessarily restricting drilling?

Those on the Right, REALLY need to get their facts straight.
Firstly, on so-called *entitlements* – – Social Security has not contributed one penny to the debt, or deficit.

POSTED BY: BAZ | DECEMBER 3, 2012, 12:38 PM 12:38 PM_______________Baby boy Bush knew this. That is why he raided the SS trust fund several times to fight his foolish war in Iraq. That is why congress considered the Social Security Lock-box legislation.

the sick part of this is everyones taxes should be raised to pay for obamas spending. taxing the wealthy does nothing other than make the party of jealousy feel revenge for nothing.

“Boehner is the problem. Dump Boehner!” – Jimmy

Actually Obama is the problem but we neglected to dump him so we are stuck with kicking the can down the road.

“We don’t need 500 bozos running around.”
Posted by: Jake | December 3, 2012, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

Your plan would still leave about 125 bozos running around. How does decreasong the number of bozos make the quality of those bozos, or their actions, any better?

The solution is raising revenues and cutting spending. Everybody agrees on that.

Democrats put their goals for raising revenue on the table.

Republicans now need to put their spending cuts on the table.

Then we negotiate.

I think the ball is clearly in the Republican’s court. It would be a shame if they abandon DC to go home and campaign without at least beginning to negotiate a solution.

COMMONSENSE PARTY

The fiscal cliff is the fiscal cliff for two reasons:

1. Massive tax increase to 98% of our citizens and 97% of small businesses. The republicans are going to cause this by insisting the upper 2% is hurting so bad they need them too. This will shrink the market place and cause more layoffs.

2. The massive spending cuts in the sequester which will cause millions to lose their job and further shrink the market. It might lower the deficit for two minutes then when the tax base shrinks the deficit will sky rocket again.

What is the difference if the spending cuts come from the sequester or the cuts the republicans want. We will still go over the cliff

I’m talking about those cuts from Ryan’s budget because the republicans, including the people on this blog, have never said once what and how much of a cut they want.

Everything in the President’s offer is specific and on the table. The problem is the republicans whine and moan but have not submitted a plan that can be decided on to this day.

Grover is a delusional psycho who thinks he’s President of the USA. Worse part, is that Republicans buy into his BS.

It would be nice to not have to raise anyones taxes, but you can’t ignore the fact to just cut spending to balance the budget would most likely lead to a Depression. Their is blame for both sides for getting us in this mess. Raising rates on the wealthy will not solve everything, but might make the difference between just a Recession and a full blown Depression. Remember that cutting government spending WILL cost jobs, many jobs, and put a significant dent in consumer spending. The wealthy have benefiited most from the wars as well as the stimulus and bailouts, plus rates are now at historical lows for the wealthy. Do they only have time to complain they are being “taxed to death”. Its all about power…and maybe just plain boredom.

During the campaign, the President promised the cuts would not happen.—- But now that he won…. blame Bush again!!

So if this does come to pass, it will bring clearly into the light the much-hidden ( by the major media) fact that the Democrats truly are the party of higher taxes and overzealous spending….but for those too stupid to realize it, it will merely be another attempt by those mean old conservatives to take away there “entitlements”.

tmferretti | December 3, 2012, 1:21 pm — I am still waiting for those “specific” cuts the POTUS is offering. And, are they negotiable or his standard “my way or the highway”?

Ah! The old Obama strategy and apparently it worked for him. None of these elected officials shouldn’t be able to vote “present”. It’s not legitimate.

I sure am looking forward to the next election, and the extinction of the “party of no”!

Tmferretti; Get on with fixing the economy in 2014? I thought Obama was well on his way to doing that? At least those are the talking points I’ve been read here for the last 3 years. An admission of a failed domestic economic policy do I now detect? Naw…that’ll never happen.

This is the silliest debate I have ever witnessed. Taxes are at historic lows. For all the talk about spending being too high, the opposite is true: taxes are too low for the services Americans want (Social Security, Medicare, etc.). The republican approach has been to starve the government of revenue in hopes of forcing a debate on killing social safety net programs as they do not believe the government has a role in providing them. The starving part of the plan has worked, but they do not have the gumption to actually boldly propose privatization (although the Ryan Plan is pretty close). Instead, they squawk about the fact that we have a spending problem while refusing to propose plans to kill SS and Medicare. The smarter approach would have been to raise taxes commensurate with the services the American people are receiving, then allowing the American people decide whether the value of the services is greater than the taxes being paid.

“I sure am looking forward to the next election, and the extinction of the “party of no”!”————-Speaking of Massachusetts. My hero is obama’s Aunt Zeituni. An illegal alien who is living off the dole here in massachusetts. She’s my hero! If she, an illegal alien, gets all the free stuff, I think I am entitled to a lot more !

Both houses and the president approved the Sequestration Transparency Act. Let it stand and do it’s job! Back off!

Raising taxes to pay for out-of-control government spending is like giving winter boots to a homeless bum in NYC.

Here’s a deal for Republicans….you get to represent the interest of the 2% which means they will get their tax breaks, welfare cheese, credits and deduction. In return for giving the rich everything they and you Republicans want, you will only be entitled to 2% of the vote in the next elections. Thus, if you’re Mr. Boehner, you will get just 2% of the vote even if you got 51%. Let’s see how many of these bozos will win relelection next time around. I would say…that number just below 1 is about right.

Sounds like a good strategy. Give Obama his extension of tax credits on the middle class, and nothing else. Obama is trying to force higher taxes on the top 2%, not so much for the small amount of additional revenue, but rather to redistribute wealth, especially that of folks who actually earned it with their own sweat and investing. His attitude is clearly my way or the highway. My sense is go ahead and go over the cliff. Now the bottom 50%, who pay only 3% of all federal income tax will have the opportunity to actually pay some federal income taxes. Obama does not care if we go into a recession, nor where he gets the money to spend, spend, and then spend some more. Obama is the poster child for racial and class warfare and he seems to want to punish anyone who makes money, and give it to folks who did not work for it. It is beyond compulsion, it is an irrational obsession. It is somewhat hypocritical to discuss more ineffectual stimulus plan, and a ten year, maybe never plan to reduce spending. THAT will not happen under an Obama administration, and pigs will fly first. When the U.S. has had no federal budgets the past 4 years, it is very difficult to see our legislators doing much better. If you want to assess the damages, follow the money and watch the stock market and business activity. More correctly, the dearth of business activity in an uncertain economy and tax rate ambiguities.

Cry, Republicans, cry! The President won in 2012 because American wants President Obama and his policies. Republicans can weasel and squirm but they can’t avoid it – they’re in the minority, and America doesn’t want their agenda.

You can slice and dice this anyway you want, but the fact remains that this Congress has done absolutely everything they can to see this President fail on everything. Unless you’re a die hard Republican sheep, everyone knows this is what they are doing. They don’t care about the risk to the country, to the stability of the nation, or to working with this President on everything from foriegn affairs to domestic affairs. The whole world can see this and they know it too. These guys are not fooling anybody, but exposing themselves for what they are and who’s interest they represent. It isn’t the real America, that’s for sure.

Billy Bob, I understand that you and the Republicans want a deadbeat America. Why do you want a deadbeat America? I love America, unlike Republicans.

Dave Davis—Sounds like you and Obama are going to get exactly what you want. I jus6t dont want to hear a word when this fiasco comes crashing down. Lets spend spend spend, wheres my check.

Billy Bob, all you have to do is answer my question. Why do you and the Republicans want a deadbeat America that defaults on its debts? Where did you learn such shameful waste and laziness? It certainly wasn’t America – we don’t cotton to that around here.

Jake | December 3, 2012, 2:08 pm —- Another Bozo that doesn’t understand what “representation” means. Geez! All you dingbats have a nice day.

Dave Davis | December 3, 2012, 2:21 pm —- You want true laziness? I trump you with Harry Reid. Check mate!

America chose Obama. That is the simple fact at the base of this. Republicans twist in the wind, trying to come up with excuses, but that’s just what happened. America chose Obama, and now Obama’s policies are going to become law. Republicans lost, and they have to stop whining and come to terms with how they lost in 2012. America chose Obama, and that’s that.

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Obama’s election showed that a majority, although a small majority, prefers, in general, an autocratic form of government, and less so democratic under a Republic structure. It truly is an political paradigm shift. But remember, as the old saying goes, you get what you vote for.

JOB CREATOR

You know I have worked in private industry for 25 years and I have never thought to measure the performance of any company I have worked for by counting the number of jobs created in a given period.

According to Romney I am a job creator. I know how to create jobs. I really do not. If sales go up and we absolutely need someone to fill a gap then we will consider hiring someone. But first we make sure that someone already working for the company cant do that job in addition to their own. We make sure that the customers really want whatever it is they say they want.

The rest of the time good and bad we are always looking to cut jobs. Every BOD meeting the first thing on the agenda is staff optimization. We are never happier than when sales are unaffected by the laying off of a few employees. This is my job. If you own a business this is your job too. I am not evil and neither are you for doing what has to be done to improve profits.

Now, GOVERNMENT DOESN’T CREATE JOBS is a great bumper sticker but it isn’t true, not even a little. (ASK PAUL RYAN) Our customers run the entire spectrum of personal income, we have some guys that are filthy rich and others that merely make a living, Give the people at the top of the heap a tax break and I promise you I will not see them more or less than I already have been. Give the guys in the middle and down that same break and I will likely have to hire some help from the volume we will pick up. Demand creates jobs. Not me. Disposable income in THE RIGHT HANDS leads to demand.

Call it a tax break or call it infrastructure spending or stimulus, But every dollar you send floating to the top will remain there, The dollars that stay a little closer to the ground will eventually cause me and you to hire someone.

Please don’t be fooled again by the trickle down or the notion that Romney “knows the economy” his knowledge of MICROECONOMICS is no greater than yours or the Presidents. The difference is that the president is more likely to give the money to the RIGHT HANDS.

Obama’s deficit$$$$$

Posted by: Billy Bob | December 3, 2012, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

Obama’s deficit is actually Bush’s deficit.

Bush’s submitted budget for 2009 had a deficit of over $400 billion. His estimated tax revenues fell short by over $600 billion due to the economic crisis on his watch. Bush’s deficit for 2009 was over a trillion dollars before Obama even walked through the doors of the White House.

A trillion dollars of student loans can be forgiven by the new administration in 2013, but there will be a payback. Those relieved of debt will have to contribute 10 hours of community service helping 3 million black and Hispanic high school dropouts return to class. America has a shortage of scientists and computer engineers; once neglected quitters can lead our challenged work force out of the complexities of the mind into the world of innovation and creativity. If China can dig its best scientists out of its rice fields the US can dig them out of the ghetto.

Bush’s deficit for 2009 was over a trillion dollars before Obama even walked through the doors of the White House.

Posted by: Bob | December 3, 2012, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
—And Obama has done such a great job of cutting that in half like he CAMPAIGNED ON THE FIRST TIME AROUND. DONT BELIEVE ME??? JUST LOOK AT WHAT THE “DEBT’ HAS DONE SINCE OBAMA TOOK OFFICE.

We all agree the spending cuts in the sequester will cost millions of jobs and hurt this economy.

So what do the republicans want? These spending cuts and even more on top of it.

Does that sound logical to anyone with a brain? I’ve seen dumb people before but never so many concentrated in one spot (the Republican House)

I suppose I should put my half cent into the mix. Where are the tax increases. The elimination of the tax cuts for the middle class would expire so they would pay more. REPUBLICANS want to leave the loopholes. If someone gets $600 a month and needs $800, how much should he pay in taxes. If that $600 comes from the government, how soon before he becomes homeless, can’t afford to eat, depends on the ER(raising hospital rates). If you have diabetes, or a mental illness and you can’t find a doctor or afford your meds, and the insurance company says you have to wait three years before they will cover you, How do you pay bills that can come up to thousands of dollars? Should these people have their benefits reduced? How much can you tax someone that has to chose between food or medicine every month? These are the questions created with cutting entitlements. I couldn’t find a job for two years at times. I seriously considered taking “Job hunting” to a whole new level pick a company and use a riffle to get hired. I was that tired of puting in applications and not getting a response. How about more suicides from people who are better off dead. I don’t know how many people are in this boat but “lazy bums” who don’t want to work and just want the money might be the select few. Have you heard of the squeaky wheel effect. These are the squeaky wheels that jam things up. Maybe there is another place to look for money. After World War II we had a shock about how advanced the enemy was in submarine warfare. Do we want a repeat. Remember reducing taxes on the wealthy so they will create new jobs has worked so well up till now, why not let it go a little longer. A crippling debt? a problem or a symptom of a problem. Look to history how people are treated and what happens.

I think the positive way to look at this is that by letting us hit the fiscal cliff to protect their millionaire masters, the middle class will finally see what the Republican House members truly are and end their reign next voting session. The downside – could be not much middle class left by then. Hopefully the ‘pub’s in the senate who have to worry about their jobs can make Boehner and crew see reason before it is too late.

Your country is in for financial collapse. It is already too late to save it.

BILLYBOB

You republicans leave me no choice but the theorize on your plans. I have not heard one word about what cuts you want and how much, not from any republican on the hill or any republican on this blog.

I’ve used the Ryan budget as a model, because I have nothing else.

Te President has said he’s open to 400 to 600 billion dollars in savings (cuts) to Medicaid and health programs.

The silence from the republicans is deafening

The republicans want it both ways. They want all these cuts but they are afraid to tell the middle class and retirees exactly how or how much. They want the democrats who oppose these cuts to do it for them.

It’s hard for any President to make progress when he has to negotiate with himself.

They defend and support big business but when the business leaders tell them to quit worrying about the 4% tax increase they will have to pay and concentrate of getting this economy moving to create a viable market place, the republicans act like they don’t exist.

Talk about a dichotomy, the republicans invented the word.

“That’s 40 billion a year.”
Posted by: Ogregunner | December 3, 2012, 3:41 pm

That’s a rounding error.

OGREGUNNER

The President says this; the President says that, it seems to me he’s the only one saying anything.

Where the hell are the republicans, out to lunch? I have no idea what cuts they want and how much. The closest thing is Ryan’s budget which will devastate this economy worse that the sequester.

The Democrats look like a bunch of idiots, they are desperately trying to crash the economy again, just to get enough tax money to fund the government for 8 whole days. BO is full of BS, he is only offering about $200 billion in real spending cuts over 10 years and a offer to just talk about more cuts later on. NOT good enough! The GOP should walk away from the table!!! After all the House GOP members and John Boehner also won reelection, so I guess they also have a mandate to do whats best for the country, not just what the Liberal Democrats are asking for! This administration is racking-up $1.2 TRILLION or more in new debt every year!

This administration is racking-up $1.2 TRILLION or more in new debt every year!

Posted by: Democrats Against Obama | December 3, 2012, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

Yes, that’s exactly what Bush passed along. Bush’s submitted budget for 2009 has a built in deficit of over $400 billion, but his tax revenue estimates fell short by over $600 billion due to the economic crisis on his watch.

The ongoing deficit Bush passed along was about $1.2 trillion.

I normally don’t think of Boehner as a brilliant politician but this is a great maneuver. If Obama wants his Debt Ceiling raised and unemployment and a Continuing Resolution then he should really consider taking the tax cuts extension for ALL. He won’t be able to say the GOP is holding the Middle-Class Hostage anymore if they allow the vote to extend the Middle-Class tax extension.

Posted by: Don | December 3, 2012, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

I guess Don doesn’t know what the word “NEW” means as in, this administration is racking-up $1.2 TRILLION or more in NEW debt every year! Debt that has nothing to do with Bush! Its all Obama’s dog and pony show now! Elections do have consequences!

Why is the GOP so adamant to stick to their no-tax-increase pledge, but they’re so quick to stab us in the back with demanded cuts in Social Security and Medicare spending when during the campaign they said they wouldn’t touch Social Security for ten years and would restore $716B that Obama “stole” from Medicare? If a commercial firm so mislead people about money in their advertising they’d be liable for criminal charges!

The best thing that can happen is to cut obama off at the knees, let the federal government go into default and to force the states into defacto secession. Now, let’s get on with the national divide.

Elections do have consequences! Mr. Boehner won and the GOP retained the House.
These tax hikes that the loony Liberal Democrats and President Obama want will cost the middle class 700,000 to 1 million jobs, according to the CBO, but the Democrats really don’t care about middle class jobs, they just want more money to spend! Its all about wealth redistribution and fairness, they don’t care if you spend another year or two on the unemployment line!

We should tax the rich 90%. Their money is just sitting in an account somewhere collecting weeds, like Romney’s $150MM nest egg, which he invests in CDs.

Ernst & Young, July 2012: This report finds that the increase in the top tax rates would reduce long-run output by 1.3% when the resulting revenue is used to finance additional government spending. Employment is found to fall by 0.5%. In today’s economy, these results would translate into a reduction of gross domestic product (GDP) of $200 billion and employment by 710,000 jobs.

My mistake, the CBO did not issue this report, but the impact on jobs is never the less unchanged!

The middle tax cuts will be used by the rich as well. Everyone’s income in those brackets will be taxed the same.

These aren’t middle class tax cuts. They are middle income brackets tax cuts.

These tax hikes that the loony Liberal Democrats and President Obama want will cost the middle class 700,000 to 1 million jobs, but the Democrats really don’t care about middle class jobs, they just want more money to spend! Its all about wealth redistribution and fairness, they don’t care if you spend another year or two on the unemployment line! Obama’s already had 4 years, but the middle class is no better off. His tax hikes will only create more unemployed middle class Americans.

In today’s economy, these results would translate into a reduction of gross domestic product (GDP) of $200 billion and employment by 710,000 jobs.

Posted by: Democrats Against Obama | December 3, 2012, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

The report didn’t give details on when the job and economic losses would occur, although an end note said two-thirds to three-fourths of the long-run effect would occur within a decade.

So 3/4 of the jobs (ie. 500,000 jobs) would be lost within a decade – that’s 50,000 jobs a year or about 4,300 jobs a month – Bush was losing 850,000 jobs A MONTH!

We’re currently gaining about 160,000 jobs a month, so that might be reduced to 155,000 jobs a month gained.

Your hysteria is not justified

Didn’t Obama win the election and NOT this employee of the Koch brothers David H. Charles Koch
The billionaire brothers who are waging a war against Obama with the help of the Republican party their also created the tea party.

These views dovetail with the brothers’ corporate interests. In a study released this spring, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst’s Political Economy Research Institute named Koch Industries one of the top ten air polluters in the United States. And Greenpeace issued a report identifying the company as a “kingpin of climate science denial.” The report showed that, from 2005 to 2008, the Kochs vastly outdid ExxonMobil in giving money to organizations fighting legislation related to climate change, underwriting a huge network of foundations, think tanks, and political front groups. Indeed, the brothers have funded opposition campaigns against so many Obama Administration policies—from health-care reform to the economic-stimulus program—that, in political circles, their ideological network is known as the Koch top us.

I am just amazed at the number of low information people who are blaming everything on the Republicans.
Why is everyone ignoring the fact that in a little over two decades fully half of our budget will be interest only?
Do you really think it’s moral for our generation to suck up all of the freebies today and leave the bills to someone else?
Yes, tax increases are fine but that will not solve the deficit. We need cuts too and the Dems only want to tax and spend more.

Remember, in the past election, the republicans retained (won) control of the House. All spending bills originate in the House. If the President can’t be fiscally responsible it is House of Representatives (the people’s house) that must step up to the plate and be the grownup.

Not going to happen.

“By doing this, Republicans avoid taking blame for tax increases on 98 percent of income tax payers.”

Isn’t it two percent, not 98?

The speaker of the house will cave, you just watch !!!

He also wants $400 Billion in political “stimulus” payback funds. What a country!

Only in the world of Republicans does rescuing the middle class, the economic engine of our consumer economy and the only slice of it that has lost wealth in this recession, from painful tax hikes constitute “Doomsday”.

Does anyone above understand where the vast majority of the deflicit comes from? I don’t think so. Let me clue you in guys.

1.) Lower tax revenues from the Reagon and Bush tax cuts.

2.) Lower tax revenue from major recessions at the end of the Reagon years and again after the Bush years continuing into the Obama years.

3.) Lower tax revenue from U.S. businesses moving jobs overseas.

4.) Lower tax revenue from U.S. businesses moving their headquarters overseas.

5.) Spending on three wars. One during the Bush Sr. years and two during the Bush Jr. years.

6.) Increased/new spending on Homeland Security including a huge expansion in government personnel to man it plus payments to each of the 50 states for similar measures.

7.) Increased costs to Medicare because of civilian increases in the cost of medical care and prescriptions.

You can find proof of all the above if you care to look. But I doubt that many of you will make the effort

Rather, you will continue to blame Democrate spending (but you will not supply any facts or figures). And you will continue to blame “welfare” (the majority of welfare was ended during the Clinton years). And for some of you, Social Security is to blame (yet it is paid for by the 15% payroll deductions that is separate from federal income tax).

I fear for the U.S. not due to any “fiscal cliff” but because of the ignorance, selfishness and hatred of so many of it’s citizens.